"Preventative Maintenance"- A Tale of the Family Minivan

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With all due respect to my Father, whom I love, in the last couple of days, I have come close to cursing the name of every engineer ever born.

Who, but an automotive sadist would place an alternator in a location where the proper service procedure for removing it involves removing two engine mounts and rotating the engine forward? Then, when the alternator is loose and it is inevitably dropped behind the engine, structures are designed to allow the engine to fit in a position, from which it cannot be removed.

More tools is always a perk of a DIY project. I now have two "stubby" 15mm wrenches (necessary to remove the alternator), an open end and a box end. Of course, yesterday morning I had three standard sized 15 mm wrenches, but thanks to my trusty Sawzall, I now have two standard sized and two stubbies.

The background of this mechanical trial is an engine noise in our minivan which has grown in intensity for the last several months. It was most definitely a "spinning" noise related to engine driven accessories...which I was sure I diagnosed properly....several times. I used the old trick of placing a long piece of wood on several of the components, then putting the other end next to my ear to see where the sound is most intense. Unfortunately, all of the accesories are bolted to brackets that are bolted to each other...anyway....

First I replaced the water pump. Job went well and I took the opportunity to flush the cooling system.....noise was still there. Oh well.

I pressed on. I then replaced the belt tensioner, one of the few cleverly designed pieces, installed with a single bolt. However, the noise was still there.

I employed new diagnostic procedures. I started spraying WD-40 on the various pulleys with the engine running thinking that if I could get the belt to slip on the offending pulley, it would interrupt the sound and that would be it. Great idea....IN THEORY.

No luck. Yesterday, I thought I had solved it. The sound was getting louder and louder. It was coming right from the area of the power steering pump. You guessed it- I replaced the power steering pump. That job took a couple of hours. Of course, the sound was still there. With an attitude recalling the hubris of one Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer as he rode confidently towards Little Bighorn, I refused to acknowledge the possibility of defeat.

I had heard the legend of the Chevrolet Venture alternator replacement job; a task undertaken by only the highly skilled or highly foolish. As my introductory comments illustrate, I am among the latter, not the former. In any event, I did indeed rotate the engine forward...and after several hours attempting to remedy problems I, myself, had caused (though the General Motors engineers have their part in this debacle), I finally removed the alternator.

Of course, this also involved the removal of windshield wiper linkages (naturally, right?)....and of course the bolt holding the main bracket on snapped off. You know that a maintenance project is on track when the evening ends with a tap and die set. But I digress.

In any event, after checking three auto parts stores in Portage (in person), I found the proper alternator in Valparaiso. Returning home at 6:30 pm, the project was buttoned up by 9:30. Why all that time? It had something to do with the aforementioned tap and die project, but a leftover bolt that needed a home was the main culprit. As anyone could predict, at this point, it fit into the alternator bracket....in back of the alternator....and could not be installed with the alternator in place...which I had already bolted down.

It's already too late for this, but long story short- the noise was still there.

Today, and I could have sworn it was not coming from there, but an idler pulley...and $18 idler pulley....the least expensive item I could have replaced....an idler pulley..a 10 minute job (other than my 26th trip to the auto parts store). The noise is gone....but I still need to bleed the power steering system of air....because of the power steering pump I apparently did not need.

So to recap, I replaced a water pump, belt tensioner, alternator and power steering pump unnecessarily. I will not recount the monetary cost....because I don't want to think about it. The emotional cost is painful enough.

I've decided to call it "preventative maintenance".
 
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Well it made for a nice read! Thanks for that anyway.

Sometimes what should be the easiest project turns into the biggest project. :banghead:
 
Reminds me of my experience with my wife's 4 wheel drive Ford Explorer. The starter went out,and to get to it,I had to raise the motor about 4" to get to the mounting bolts,electrical connections,etc.I have arthritis,and my hands will not work like they used to. I had my arm up in the position to remove the last bolt,and the motor fell on my wrist. Luckily,there was room and my wrist wasn't broken and I used my left hand to jack the motor up and off of me and finished the job. You're right about the sadistic engineers and their obsession with making it almost impossible for the do-it -yourselfers to fix their creations.The expense of repairs at a dealership would make it more sensible to buy another vehicle rather than having it fixed.This may possibly be the goal of such marvels as a car in which the motor must be jacked up to change spark plugs.Better get good plugs! lha
 
that reminds me of my fathers old car, a merc. went to junp start another car and we opened the bonnet.
could we find that battery?

After 15 mins we found it was tucked up under the flitch plate where the wipers are!
 
Check out my Subaru Impreza. There is SO much room in the bay. I love the flat 4 cylinders :)
 

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It comes down to this- my mechanical skills are above reproach....my diagnostic skills, shall we say, need work.

...but the noise is gone.
 
The other day,my '86-1/2 Nissan Hardbody truck,which was running badly for some time finally got me to do something about it. I removed the spark plugs to see how the insulators looked. What I found was surprising to say the least!The insulators were broken on 3,and gone on 2 others.The other 3 were normal[it is a 4 cylinder with 8 plugs],and I replaced them with Champions as they were $1.00 cheaper than NGKs,which were in it. I've used NGK and Denso for years with excellent results,so I don't blame them.I can't figure what could make the insulators come apart.It was getting 17.5 mpgs,and now it gets 21.5 mpg.So everything is OK now and the first thing I tried worked. lha
 
I don't think so,Travis,but I made a run at 85-90 mph to pick up my xs 400 in a Bristol,Tn,about 650m round trip,but it wasn't running 100 percent before. I've never seen any plugs do that in 45+ years of wrenching on cars,trucks,and bikes,tractors,etc. One had no insulator at all. But like I say,it runs well now.I was about to send the injectors to Washington state to be ultrasonically cleaned,but now no need,and I've saved enough in 2 tankfuls top pay for the plugs. By the way,I'm going to experiment with some kz900 carbs on my '82 seca,and will try to take pics. lha
 
Yeah completely gone is crazy. I've seen them cracked and could see how if you kept running them, they could fall apart. Who knows.. at least it's running better!
 
Yeah,I've always used NGKs and ND,now Denso,and haven't ever even had them worn out. They've always been good performers. I replaced with Champions,figured what the heck,I've used them too for years in American cars and trucks. I remember back in the 60s and 70s racers used Champions in trackers and motocross,I guess sponsors. lha
 
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